Hello. To my previous question "Why did Ravon nexia R3 no seal between the right front fender and monocoque body? On the left there is, on the right not "I got the following answer:" ... This design feature car. Thank you for contacting us. "- it was clear even without this answer, but I would like to know for what purpose this was done?
Answer
Good afternoon, Konstantin Pavlovich. This seal is not provided by the manufacturer's designers. The employees of the plant do not indicate the reasons. Thank you for contacting us.
Kovalenko Konstantin Pavlovich
- 28/10/2019
- Smolensk
Hello. Why doesn't the Ravon Nexia R3 have a seal between the right front fender and the monocoque body? On the left there is, on the right not.
Answer
Good afternoon, Konstantin Pavlovich. This is a design feature of the car. Thank you for contacting us.
Artem
- 21/10/2019
- Kemerovo
Hello. Please explain the meaning of the option heating without air conditioning. If I understand correctly, in the absence of this option, the stove in the car will work in conjunction with the air conditioner, hence the question arises, why is the air conditioner at -10 degrees and below? In addition, this is also an increase in fuel consumption. Why I was interested in this option, I own a 2007 Chevrolet Lacheti car, I have the ability to turn off the air conditioner in my cars when the stove is running. The car is operated in Siberia and at -20 degrees and below, I never had a desire to turn on the air conditioner, but on the other hand, so that the stove was warmer. My opinion as a consumer and car enthusiast is the absence of this option in more expensive trim levels it is not logical than the presence of this option in the cheapest configuration.
Answer
Good afternoon, Artyom. Your question is not entirely clear. Heating option without air conditioning in the most budget trim levels implies the absence of air conditioning on the car. And regarding the operation of the air conditioner at negative temperatures, the air conditioner does not turn on at an ambient temperature of +3 - +4 degrees. Thank you for contacting us.
Yuri Anatolievich
- 09/10/2019
- Moscow
Good day! Car of 2016 from the first parties. The function of "diffused lighting" and "automatic door closing" does not work, when driving so that the locks themselves are closed, no matter how hard you try to set it up in the GU. Is this in all cars of the first batch and these functions do not initially work or can you completely eliminate it at the dealer?
Answer
Good afternoon, Yuri Anatolyevich. The functions you have voiced are not available in this car model and cannot be installed. Thank you for contacting us.
Many potential users of Ravon cars, for example, on the forums in the reviews of the Ravon P3 mechanic have unflattering, to put it mildly, statements on the coatings of their bodies and the reliability of anti-corrosion protection.
They say that the bodies are massively "blooming", and, as it should be, in the spring, since the Russian services highways in winter, strong reagents are used.
In this review, an attempt is made to collect topical questions to the representative of the Uzbek car plant in Russia, his answers, as well as some expert explanatory comments.
Question... I wonder how matters stand with corrosion resistance body parts Ravon? Is the P2 body galvanized? Is there a manufacturer's warranty for corrosion perforation?
Answer. Let me start with the last question, if I may. Our concern undertakes to carry out free work to restore the coating of body elements that are damaged by corrosion for three years after the purchase of a car. In other words, we provide a three-year warranty.
However, it is given in cases where the car is operated in normal conditions, if there are marks in the Service Book about carrying out both checks and technical services within the time frame specified by our plant. In this case, corrosion must be the result of a manufacturing defect. In other words, when the destruction of the metal in the form of through damage occurred under the coating layer.
As for the answer to the first question about the galvanizing of the body, our concern uses stamping of body parts from special metal, the sheets of which have a modern coating against corrosion. This is a completely new and very effective technology. However, it is not such that it could be called galvanized.
Question. The first Ravon models had disadvantages related to the protection of body parts. What has the concern done to eliminate these shortcomings in the release of subsequent models? In particular, is the Ravon P3 body galvanized or not?
Answer. It is in the tradition of the management of our concern to respond sensitively and promptly to the comments and claims of our customers. Moreover, we are grateful to them for this. The plant carried out renovation measures in the field of coating body parts.
The coating now has four protective layers:
- to protect against corrosion, such technology as soil cathoresis is used;
- to protect body parts from electrostatic damage, a special primer is used;
- the next protective layer that is applied to the body is enamel. It is the main body color;
- and a varnish that protects the enamel and gives the body parts a polished surface.
Thus, the complex body coating has sufficient capabilities for its reliable anti-corrosion protection without galvanizing.
Expert commentary. As for the katopheresis coating, this technology has long been used abroad and relatively recently in the domestic auto industry, in particular on Lada Grant and Kalina.
Catopheresis is an electrolytic reaction accompanied by physicochemical processes. In this case, the body part is immersed in the container, connecting the anode to the part, and the cathode to the walls of the container. In the process of electrolysis, a special primer is deposited on the parts and it is fixed.
The procedure for the implementation of the catopheresis technology is as follows:
- first, the surface of body parts is cleaned from oxides;
- remove grease stains;
- activation of metal surfaces is carried out;
- immersion in a container where catopheresis occurs;
- rinsing of body parts after catapheresis is carried out;
- drying is carried out in special thermal chambers.
After that, the body parts are subjected to the application of the remaining layers of the coating.
Question. Is Ravon P4 body galvanized?
Answer. Thanks for the question. The concern pays great attention to the anti-corrosion protection of car bodies, and the P4 model line is no exception. The peculiarity of the new technology of body protection, which was recently introduced by our plant, is that the steel sheet from which the body is stamped has a special coating against corrosion. Although it has nothing to do with galvanizing, it is no less effective than zinc coating of metal.
Specifying the process of protection, the concern has introduced special tunnel sections to protect body parts from dust, they are thoroughly cleaned of various contaminants, and work on cathoresis and the application of protective coatings is automated.
The Korean manufacturer Daewoo is famous for its budget and reliable cars. Most of them are "Matiz" and "Nexia". They make up the majority of the Russian market. But in 2013, Nexia was replaced by new car- "Daewoo Gentra". The car is produced to this day. The manufacturer positions "Gentra" as the most affordable sedan golf class. But is it worth buying a Daewoo Gentra car? Reviews real owners, photo, review and specifications, see below.
Appearance
The design of this sedan was completely sketched from the first generation "Lacetti". The automaker itself does not hide this. The appearance of the Gentra is identical to the Chevrolet: slanted headlights, a streamlined bumper and a smooth roof. The back also involved plagiarism. The trunk lid and lights are exactly like the "Lacetti" in the sedan body.
As noted by the reviews, the exterior of the car is quite outdated by now. The design got lost somewhere in the 2000s. Therefore, there is no need to talk about modern lines and expressive forms. On the other hand, it is not worth criticizing a car that is sold at the price of a VAZ (by the way, we will consider prices and configurations at the end of the article).
Body and corrosion
The manufacturer notes that the thickness of the metal ranges from 0.75 to 1.8 millimeters. Moreover, the body is made of a sheet with an anti-corrosion coating. As noted by the reviews of the owners, "Daewoo Gentra" is really well protected from corrosion. Rust does not show through even on models of the first years of production. The body does not rot in the same way as on the original Korean "Nexia". But as for the gaps, here the Koreans missed. A lot of complaints from the owners are caused by the gaps between the fenders, headlights and doors.
Dimensions, clearance
The car, judging by its dimensions, belongs to the C-class. So, the body length is 4.5 meters, width - 1.72, height - 1.45 meters.
What really pleases is the high ground clearance. This is noted by the reviews of taxi drivers. "Daewoo Gentra" on standard 15-inch wheels has a clearance of 16 centimeters. Also, the car has very short bumpers, which allows you to climb curbs without any problems.
Salon
Inside, the car looks modest, but it is pleasant enough to sit. Confused except that the characteristic sound of doors closing. And this happens even on new cars, this is said in many reviews. Daewoo Gentra is produced in different trim levels, which can be distinguished by the presence or absence of wood inserts on the panel and door cards. Quite a strange decision today - aluminum or chrome inserts would look much more profitable here. Still, wood is a remnant of 90s fashion. As for the quality of finishing materials, the plastic is not hard, which pleases. Noise isolation is also at the level. However, a couple of additional insulation sheets in the area of the front arches "Gentre" would not hurt. The steering wheel is adjustable in two planes. True, this is not available in all vehicle trim levels.
Are there any problems with the salon in Daewoo Gentre? Reviews mark bad job air conditioner. From the factory, a little freon is charged into it, which already evaporates over time. In order for the air conditioner to cool normally, you have to go to the service yourself and refuel the refrigerant. By the way, poor quality O-rings were used on the Gentra dehumidifier. Through them, freon, along with oil, seeped out. This is a disease of all Daewoo Gentra sedans, according to reviews. Leakage of oil from the air conditioning system led to compressor breakdowns. Many have changed it under warranty. But the owners of old models will have to repair everything at their own expense.
Trunk
The trunk volume is 405 liters. The low loading height and the presence of a niche for a full-size spare wheel are good news. In addition, you can expand the volume by folding the back rear seats... As a result, you can place up to 1226 liters of luggage.
Power section
As is the case with the rest of the models, the Daewoo Gentre does not have a wide variety of engines. So, the sedan is equipped with one and only gasoline engine at 107 Horse power... This is a 1.5-liter engine with a 16-valve timing system. This unit is equipped with mechanical box gears in five steps or a six-speed automatic.
Performance characteristics
The one and a half liter engine does not upset in terms of dynamic characteristics, the reviews say. "Daewoo Gentra" accelerates to a hundred in about 11.5 seconds on the mechanics. With a gun - a second later. Of course, you should not expect significant power from such a motor. But in order to stay in the stream, these characteristics are enough. Maximum speed is 180 kilometers per hour.
But as for fuel consumption, here the figures for the owners differ significantly. So, the most economical consumption is obtained on "Daewoo Gentre" with mechanics. Reviews say that on a highway without air conditioning, a car spends about 6.9 liters per hundred. But the machine gun is more voracious. On the highway, this figure is a liter more. In the city, consumption reaches 12 liters. And in winter, with warming up, even more - 14 per hundred. In view of this, many owners are converting the car to gas. This results in significant savings. The car spends about the same on gas.
Are there any problems?
If we talk about the box machine "Daewoo Gentry", the reviews do not contain any complaints. Once every 60 thousand, you need to change the oil in it, and that's all. The box does not kick and shifts gears clearly. The mechanics here are completely eternal, the owners say. This design has been tested over the years and has been in use since the days of the Lacetti.
But the engine ECU sometimes causes problems. This unit is located in a place where dirt, water and dust constantly get. Therefore, the ECU often fails, and due to the banal oxidation of the contacts. As a result, the car can malfunction when idling or even stall in the middle of the road.
Another problem concerns the generator. On the Gentra, it is short-lived. The bearing often fails, which is why you can hear the characteristic trolleybus hum under the hood. Moreover, the owners experience this problem at different intervals. Someone after 5 thousand, someone after 70.
Prices, configuration
In Russia this car sold in several versions:
- Comfort.
- Optimum.
- Elegant.
The basic one will be available at a price of 540 thousand rubles. The list of options includes:
- Heated side mirrors.
- Power steering.
- Immobilizer.
- Two front cushions.
- Stamped 15-inch wheels.
- Audio preparation for six speakers.
- Fog lights.
- Power windows and mirrors.
The luxury "Elegant" version is available at a price of 670 thousand rubles. Air conditioning, ABS, alarm, steering wheel adjustment in two positions are available here, alloy wheels, acoustics for six speakers with a radio tape recorder, heated front seats and "premium" interior trim. Each car is covered by a guarantee for a period of five years or 150 thousand kilometers.
Summing up
So, we found out what the Daewoo Gentra sedan has reviews and characteristics. The main advantage of Gentra is its price. Indeed, for 540 thousand rubles, you essentially get a "Chevrolet Lacetti" with a proven gearbox, reliable chassis and very comfortable salon... In many ways, this car is superior to the Lada, so the Gentra will definitely not be left without demand. Should you buy such a car? This car will be the ideal choice for those who want to get a new hassle-free foreign car for a small amount of money. "Gentra" - nice car for everyday life, but you definitely won't be able to stand out on it. His looks are too old.
Rust on cars that were produced in Uzbekistan at the GM Uzbekistan plant - manifests itself after several years of operation of the previous generation of cars, and other models. Potentially susceptible to metal corrosion due to powerful reagents on Russian roads.
Will the new Ravon cars rust? After all, Nexia, Gentra, P2 and P4 are assembled at the same plant in Uzbekistan?
According to the press service of the manufacturer's plant, they reconstructed and replaced equipment at the plant, which made it possible to improve technological processes painting. Now used modern technologies and processes that can significantly improve quality paintwork Ravon cars. Speaking specifically about the process, tunnels were introduced at the plant to protect it from dust, the body parts are now thoroughly cleaned, and the most basic processes take place at a high level of automation.
Body paint composition for all Ravon models
According to the infographics, it consists of such components as:
- Varnish (40-50 microns)
- Enamel (10-15 microns)
- Electrostatic primer (30-40 microns)
- Soil catophoresis (18-32 microns)
- Protective metal layer "Under coat GVH-170 UBC" (minimum 500 microns)
At the same time, the thickness of the layer of protective material of the bottom and lower sidewall of cars Ravon PVC Polyvinyl Chloride abrasion resistant coating sealer is at least 300 microns.
Galvanized body
On the official website ravon.ru, visitors often ask this question, to which they receive an answer with approximately the following content:
“The stamping of the body parts is made from a special steel sheet with an anti-corrosion coating. New technology... It is not galvanized. Thank you for contacting us. "
Moreover, it is specified in the same place that the cars come with a guarantee of three for the body, the manufacturer undertakes to produce free renovation work body elements that were damaged due to corrosion within 3 years, however, with the proviso that the car was operated under normal conditions, as well as regular checks and maintenance were carried out on time from the service book. If in the service book all the work is documented, but nevertheless, corrosion appeared, due to manufacturing defects, and began precisely under a layer of paintwork, which subsequently led to through damage.
Bottom line. As you can see, the manufacturer is aware of the problems of past generations of cars. And he took all the necessary steps to improve the anti-corrosion properties of body parts. Of course, looking ahead, it is difficult to say what will happen in 5-7 years of operation, but in our opinion, in the next 3-5 years we will not see these cars with rust on the body.
At "Gentra" on Russian market the story is, perhaps, unique and outstanding. Just think: the car remains on the market, changing its third brand already! Having started to sell as Chevrolet lacetti, a sedan with minor alterations and a change of engine turned into Daewoo gentra, and more recently herself Daewoo brand became Ravon. Hence the non-standard story with the statistics of "childhood diseases": specifically for "Ravon" it has not yet matured or matured, so it is easier to focus on the reviews of the owners of that "Gentra", which is still Daewoo. To trace the heredity of "sores" and to understand which of them have already been cured, we were helped by the reviews of the owners and employees of service centers familiar with the car.
Air conditioner malfunction
Perhaps one of the most common problems with Gentra is an air conditioner that stops working or stops working quickly. The mileage at which the owners discovered this malfunction depended on the season: for example, those who bought a car in winter could drive all the cold months without suspecting that there was a problem. But for those who bought a car in the heat, the problem became obvious immediately.
"I bought a car in winter, it was impossible to check the operation of the air conditioner without special devices, since it is cold outside, in summer, when the heat came, I turned on the air conditioner, and blew from there warm air... I went to a car dealership, repairs under warranty, they poured me out there for 5 hours, then they gave me the car, they said that they had forgotten to fill in freon at the factory. After that, in the summer, the air conditioner turned on only a couple of times (it was a mistake), because, having turned it on after a year, I realized that the air conditioner was giving out warm air again. I turned to a car dealership for a guarantee, they refused me, supposedly the guarantee is only a year or 20,000 mileage ... ", - the owner of Daewoo (Ravon) Gentra under the nickname roman.andronov tells his story on the website auto.ru.
The air conditioner stopped working because it ran out of freon, thanks to which the air conditioner performs its duties. As the owners complained, the manufacturer was initially "greedy" with the amount of freon charged into the air conditioner, and the one that was in the system gradually "ran away" along with the compressor oil due to poor-quality O-rings on the dryer - in cold weather the seals were deformed and the tightness of the system was violated. It was these very rings that the manufacturer changed actively and in large quantities, along the way, in a normal way, refueling the air conditioner. However, the problem often returned: the quality of the rings did not improve, and over time they again began to "bleed" the freon and oil. Moreover, the departure of the lubricant from the air conditioning system sometimes led to compressor breakdown.
As the mechanics say, after 2015, the statistics on leaks have straightened: the quality of the O-rings has become higher, and the air conditioner is working properly, not letting the oil with freon go anywhere. However, some owners may argue with this statement: often after cold weather, the problem of current air conditioners returns, and by this time the warranty, as a rule, has already expired. In this case, many change the factory O-rings to thicker counterparts. Well, within the framework of the guarantee, problems with the air conditioner are still eliminated without problems free of charge for the client.
Failure of the ECU
"Gentra - holey brains" - could be heard in the address of the car. Such an important detail as the electronic unit management, turned out to be almost the most weak point engine compartment... It turned out to be open to all winds, waters, mud, - in a word, everything that somehow got under the hood while driving. At the same time, the "filling" of the block was not protected by anything, so it could easily break down, "sour" from moisture. The manufacturer, admittedly, noticed the problem in time, but sad variants of the development of this story happened. "Yes, indeed, having stalled in the middle of the road, I realized that I had made a huge mistake. I forgot to take a picture of the burned out brains of my Gentra. The car was towed to the dealer with the help of my friends, and within 3 weeks the car was being repaired. ECU block, on which the contacts were rotted away, they showed me on the first day of the repair ... ", - wrote, for example, the user shatana on the gentraclub.ru forum.
Official dealers, however, they reassure: Gentra really had such a problem with electronics, but it was encountered only on the first batches of cars - those that were still Daewoo. Owners were invited to service centers to check the ECU condition and, if necessary, seal the control unit connector. Appropriate measures were taken in production, assembly control was strengthened. So on new cars (which are already Ravon) similar problems should not arise.
Quite interesting in this story is the fact that many owners, just in case, undertook to protect the engine control unit on their own - a huge number of options for different protective screens and boxes made from improvised means (pieces of cans, plastic boxes, etc.) were offered. Some were not lazy even to cook metal protection (!), After which the "brains" of the car were not so much moisture as bullets were not afraid.
Water under the rear seat
And this problem appeared in "Gentra" in its very first incarnation - in those distant times, when it was still a sedan Chevrolet Lacetti. On some lots of cars, after washing or driving in heavy rain, the foam rubber of the back sofa suddenly began to damp - occasionally arising, this strange and unpleasant feature "inherited" was passed on to the Gentra model along with the body.
"So this problem touched me too. A little moisture and damp foam rubber of the sofa.
In principle, there was no surprise, I was ready ... ", a gpit user writes on the drive2.ru social network.
Official dealers quickly found out about the problem and began to take action. As it turned out, the leak was caused by a leaky seam on the cups of the rear supports. Moreover, experts reassure: the power structure of the body is in perfect order, and in general we are talking about a hole literally a few millimeters in diameter. So there is nothing to worry about anyway: rear suspension on a good pit, it will not go to the salon or to the trunk.
As for the solution to the problem, it is simple: the officials coated the seams with sealant for free - periodically, however, "flooding" the interior in search of a leak. In addition, this problem is not typical for all copies of the Gentra without exception, but for individual parties. Now the quality control in production has been increased, and the manufacturer has dealt with the current support cups.
Doors close poorly
The Gentra owners have a lot of complaints about the build quality of the body and interior, and they are so diverse that making a systematized list is not so easy: someone does not like poorly exposed clearances, sagging / protruding / sinking bumpers, someone has poorly adjusted headlights or the bumpers are badly painted over, someone complains about creaks and cracks in various corners of the cabin - in a word, each owner has a couple of complaints about this. One of the claims that many agree on is doors that stubbornly refuse to close with a "civilized" effort. “Clap boldly - you won’t break it,” the owners joke.
"I recently became the owner of this car. And the first so far the most unpleasant thing that I had to face, three of the four doors close very badly. A detailed examination convinced that the door locks were not adjusted as expected," wrote the user segun73 on the gentra-club forum .com.
Many owners really blame dealers for the hasty pre-sale preparation- at least, after adjusting the doors, the situation was corrected for many, and the doors began to close much better. However, as the dealers themselves say, sometimes you should not rush to conclusions - you need to give the car a little "acclimatization". On the Gentra, seals made of rather hard rubber are used, which takes time to work in: it may not allow the doors to close normally at first, but over time it becomes softer, and the situation returns to normal.
As for the body as a whole, as the officials say, stamping of body parts is made from steel sheet with an anti-corrosion coating. The thickness of the metal varies from 0.7 to 1.75 mm (power elements are thicker, non-power ones are thinner), which fully complies with GOST. So the gaps are gaps, and from the rapidly decaying bodies, for which it once became famous Daewoo nexia, Gentra got rid of.
Alternator bearing wear
"It seems to me that the generator is dead. The battery is discharging. Before that, the bearings were changed 3 times under warranty. And the car is only 1 year old. All repairs on the generator were noted in the service book. I will demand replacement with a new one ...", - writes the user under the nickname Herzen on the gentra-club.ru forum.
This problem, again, is more likely to be relevant for Daewoo Gentra - for Ravons, statistics are only beginning to form as the mileage of purchased cars grows, but Daewoo owners are familiar with quickly fatiguing generator bearings. The mileage on which this happens varies greatly: there were cases when an unpleasant trolleybus hum began to be heard from under the hood already at the fifth thousand kilometers, and someone drove without problems for more than one year.
Owners' complaints about failing bearings (already replaced under warranty, sometimes more than once) continue to appear periodically on the forums. Those who have already expired their warranty prefer to look for analog versions - for example, they use components from AvtoVAZ quite successfully.
Of course, the owners of competing classmates can gloat and be fully confident that they have definitely made the right choice and bought the most reliable and problem-free car. But there are no ideal cars - and the fact that your favorite model has not yet appeared in this section means only one thing: we just haven't got to it yet.
